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Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1669
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Posted - 2016.10.11 19:22:33 -
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I always had an inkling that I still had a soul somewhere in me. Nice to see that possibility may be validated.
Other than that, however, business as usual.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1679
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Posted - 2016.10.12 18:10:28 -
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Oh, this is rich. A member of Goonswarm giving a lecture about political expediency, all the while willing serving in a fascistic dictatorship that thrives on propaganda and the perpetuation of the myth of the Mittani and his greatness. Save your false concerns for your own 'empire', I hear it needs a bit of help.
Ms. Kernher, I strongly suggest that you cease doubting the motivations and validity of Theology Council exhortations in public and trust in the sacred processes of their office. If they truly believed clones and capsuleers were not worthy of acknowledgement by the Imperial Rite, they could surely keep this matter in limbo as they have for so long, despite the Empress's suggestions. I do not need to remind you that they are an independent body that interprets and maintains the Scripture, and they fulfill that purpose quite well. I also suggest that you stop doubting the judgement of the Empress, as that is not a healthy habit to get into, especially after having a coronation marred by a rebellion.
I am going to clue you both into a little secret you both are probably bright enough to figure out yourself but are conveniently ignoring so you can complain: capsuleers are the future of warfare. The Empire clearly recognizes they are the future of warfare, and that to survive she will need to rely more heavily upon them in the future. Now, this is the practical argument to make. God had shown the capsuleer as the new dominant instrument of war. If the Empire does not use them, it will fall at their hands. Does that mean God wills the Empire is to fall in the face of an onslaught of soulless abominations? Somehow I doubt that.
What this exhortation suggests is that cloned people are exactly that - people. We are not demons, and we are not sefrim. We are people, with all of their failings and obligations, now including the obligation to abide by the Amarr faith. This is not a freeing suggestion, this is placing the burden of human morality back upon us. We have souls that may fall or be damned, and it is up to us to take care of those souls. It is also now the responsibility of faithful capsuleers to bring the word to others, as they may now be saved as we have been. Basically, it means we behave exactly as we have been already, but now with certainty that what we are doing is not a futile exercise.
In summary, God apparently does not consider us as special. He expects us to abide by the laws set forth to all humanity. How is this even a revelation?
Accept this chance to be saved. You are foolish if you dig your heels in and refuse to believe you are responsible for yourself just because you are a capsuleer. You are a moral, thinking, human being that just happens to have been re-made through technology. Your power and ability to temporarily escape death do not exempt you from anything but mortal laws - God's law still hunts your head if you fail to abide by it. I, for one, welcome this. The rest of you, perhaps not, but today I am reminded of a particular bit of Scripture that describes the hopefully soon to be confirmed place of faithful and unfaithful capsuleers everywhere:
"So the Lord sent forth the Chosen,
to bring forth the light of faith
And those who embrace his love
Shall be saved by his grace
For we are his shepherds in the darkness
His Angels of Mercy.
But those who turn away from his light,
And reject his true word
Shall be struck down by his wrath
For we are his retribution incarnate
His Angels of Vengeance"
- The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 4:45
We can be Angels of Mercy or Angels of Vengeance in the coming age. Pray you allow us to be merciful.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1683
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Posted - 2016.10.12 18:29:02 -
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Arrendis wrote:It is that hypocrisy, that clear and obvious abdication of their moral function, that should make it obvious that no, the duty of the faithful is not to blindly follow the edicts of openly corrupt men, but to seek their own understanding of God and morality, and obey that. Pieter Tuulinen wrote:New Empress, New rules. What amazes me are the number of you who believe that the Empress has a divine mandate from heaven to rule in the manner she believes is best but now question those changes. How fortunate, then, that not all of us who question the sincerity of this decree believe in her.
Oh, look, I think I spotted the first one to be an Angel of Vengeance towards.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1686
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Posted - 2016.10.12 18:36:35 -
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Arrendis wrote:Obviously, Capsuleers are the future of warfare. Water's still wet, too. Neither of these has anything at all to do with God sticking his tongue in the ears of the head of state or the Theology Council. If anything, this clearly demonstrates there's no divine guidance at work, just a bunch of people, making it up as they go along.
Arrendis, I know exactly what you are doing. I also know exactly what you want. You want the Empire to fail. You want it to burn, and you just have a fancy way of expressing that desire.
You are not calling out a hypocrisy. You are upset that the Empire might counter the power of capsuleers by incorporating them fully into its society. That is a threat to you, and to every null power out there, including yours. And you do not want that to happen, so you cast doubt upon this decision because you want to sway more hesitant Amarr to resist this change. I get it. I understand. You do not give a damn about Amarr purity or morality, you give a damn about taking advantage of the sense of purity and morality.
Shut it. You have no business here. Your words are false, your manipulative skinks**t is old. But now I can be confident your enfeebled soul is going to pop out of existence when you die for the last time, so I'm not too worried about you. I do worry about those you are trying to corrupt, however.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1686
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Posted - 2016.10.12 18:42:36 -
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I see I was too late.
Congratulations, Arrendis, enjoy your new pawn.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1686
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Posted - 2016.10.12 19:06:01 -
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I already explained her motivations, Pieter.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1687
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Posted - 2016.10.12 19:38:26 -
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And on goes the 'honest concerned citizen' switch.
You're a liar, Arrendis, and I do not respect that. You do not care about Amarr theology, the sanctity of the Empress - Theology Council relationship, or the truth about the state of a clone's soul. You care about getting your way, and your way is leisurely watching the Empire made weaker by what you see as foolish dogma, then shaking the base of Amarr power when they go rescind those dogmas by calling them self-interested and lacking in divine purpose.
The exhortation confirms what has already been an obvious truth to most people in the Empire, and the cluster at large. Clones are people. Even if it is a crass political move, (which is not possible because ALL moves made by the Empress are God's will, advantageous to herself or not) I do not give a single damn. The state of my family, my corporation, and my Empire are made better for it. I get to have a soul. My children are not the products of abominations. My alliance is a recognized body of faithful warriors, and now my Empire gets to accept more of those warriors to fight on her behalf and better compete in the changing arena of warfare. The fact that you utterly fail to mention any of this until your motives are questioned is telling.
Now the task it to seek revelation on what laws clones must abide by. Surely they must not be allowed to hold positions indefinitely within the Empire. Surely they must be held to standards whereby they do not abuse their power. Certainly they will not be able to have multiple copies of themselves active at one time. Amarr has always changed with the times, and recognized that the future is just as important as the past. We will be given God's will on this matter and abide by it as we always have.
As for any potential talk of Khanid not being pure, let the inquisitors figure that out. Honestly, how hard is it for you people to keep your damn mouths shut?!
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1689
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Posted - 2016.10.12 19:53:22 -
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That is what I wished to convey, Mother Alamath, but you are correct that I did not succeed in that. My apologies, I will edit accordingly.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1693
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Posted - 2016.10.12 20:03:46 -
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This isn't about mistakes, it's about knowing your place. All sins are revealed in time, and all wrongs are corrected. But not by us, not until they are ready to be.
If you still care to listen to reason I have something to share with you, but I will not speak here any longer. I grow tired of the feeble minds and arguments that fail to recognize how things truly work in the Empire.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1696
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Posted - 2016.10.12 20:15:25 -
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Let us just all calm down and meet-in person for our next exchange. I think that would be most helpful.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1743
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Posted - 2016.10.26 18:55:25 -
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Sure, because we're really stupid enough to invade the State before we invade you.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1745
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Posted - 2016.10.26 21:22:49 -
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There are about a thousand reasons, Ayallah, and it will take too long to explain them all here. This is not the thread for such a discussion anyway.
Let's just rest assured that no one in the Empire is going to seriously consider a military Reclaiming of the State any time soon, if ever.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1746
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Posted - 2016.10.27 06:55:11 -
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Please do not.
The Leopardess wrote:This is great news I've taken vacation early to join my family to celebrate. No one questions the Theology Council. Except, apparently Aldrith Shutaq, against his own best interests, apparently?
I'm sorry, where did I question the Theology Council?
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1749
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Posted - 2016.10.27 16:19:31 -
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Oh, look, Ayallah opened the can of worms and Pieter has started dumping them on the table. I knew this would happen.
Stop it. Nobody likes worms. Especially worms that might weaken an alliance that both of our nations are made better by. Stop being stupid.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1749
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Posted - 2016.10.27 16:38:12 -
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I like Caldari. Are you saying you don't like us?
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1753
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Posted - 2016.10.27 23:08:28 -
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At least they've begun to learn how to design symmetrically.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1759
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Posted - 2016.10.31 22:10:49 -
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The Leopardess wrote:
On having a soul, you stated "Nice to see that possibility may be validated." instead of "Nice to see the possibility is validated."
That is because the recommendation has not yet been recognized as Scriptural canon. The article clearly states: "The exhortation, an advisory judgment on the interpretation of Amarr scripture, adopts a newly unified position on the status of cloned human beings in the Amarr religion..." The important clause here is "advisory judgement on the interpretation of Amarr scripture", stating the Theology Council believes this to be the case and is awaiting for consensus from other parties.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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